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Author:  mdh [ Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

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thay can't reasonabally expect everyone to pay the final auction price.


Definitely. There were a number of people here wanting it, but most walked away when the price went up.

Author:  offroadstevie_uk [ Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

Just recieved this response from Zeus Engineering regarding the Bell housings.

hello Steve

did we speak on the phone earlier this week or was that another member of
the club?

We are planning to run another set of the bell housings in late Dec early
Jan depending upon demand. I need to run a batch of ten or more to keep the
costs down. We will keep some on the shelf but I need five or more orders.
I am awaiting a reply to my castings query with the foundry or possible
running them in our own foundry. wither way they should be available in Jan
so keep in touch

best regards

A Cartwright - Zeus Engineering

It looks like good news in the end.. so lets make sure he gets at least 5 orders from us, so that the batch gets made.

Author:  kebir31 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

Hi there ... any idea of pricing yet?
also: does anyone know what cluch disk to install, when coupling a 200/300tdi to the LT95 with this bellhousing?

Author:  offroadstevie_uk [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

As yet no prices come from Zeus.
Not sure how many splines on the LT95 input shaft or the diameter compared to the standard LT77 /R380 clutch friction plate.

When I kept going through clutches on the disco weighing 2.7 tons with expedition kitted, I was advised by A gearbox reconditioner in Leighton Buzzard to use the clutch kit from the TDi powered Defender 130 as this was beefed up to cope with the load/torque of a heavier vehicle.

Other than that, I would say use the friction plate if its not the same splines and the pressure plate from the Tdi 130 if it has a slarge enough diameter to accomodate the friction plate from the LT95.

I think the standard TDi friction plate is 9.5 inch compared to 10 inch on the LT 95. So if there is a larger diameter on the TDi 130 pressure plate, I'd use that.

Though this is something I'd have to be sure on before I fully went ahead with the diesel implant.

I believe 'Tiggur' has a LT95 mated to a 300 and Andrew has a 200 mated to the same G/box. So either of these would be a good source to confirm and to detail pros and cons etc.

I feel a PM coming on.

Author:  kebir31 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

The LT95 has the same splines as the series I-II-III gearboxes, and NOT the same as on the LT77/R380. Therefore the original friction plate for a LT77/R380 (the one you find factory-fitted on any 200/300tdi) will definitely not fit the input shaft.
The 9.5" friction plate as found in some series IIA/III will fit on the splines of the LT95 (that's what I have in mine on the Mazda engine at the moment), and probably does fit inside the 200/300tdi clutch cover, but I would be a bit worried about the amount of torque it has been designed to take.

The difference between the 130 clutch and the other Tdi's is the plate. The clutch cover is the same, therefore I have doubts that a 130 clutch kit would do any difference in termes of wear, for instance on a heavy vehicle like you descibed ...

Author:  offroadstevie_uk [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

The problem I had was the friction plate centre exploding.Earlier than I'd have expected it to milage wise.

As the 3.5V8 has less power than the 200TDi. I'd be inclined to use the standard V8 friction plate in the TDi pressure plate. Assuming the diameter of the friction plate is not to large.

But as I'm not totally sure, I'm only speculating.

I reckon the guy who rebuilt "The Beast" ambi in Holland with the 2.8TGV has it listed on his web site. He used a LT95 I think.

Author:  mdh [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

I think its the Tdi 130 HCPU that has an uprated clutch.

Devon 4x4 seel them as uprated clutches for Discos etc.

Author:  minivin [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

mdh wrote:
I'm thinking of making my own by welding Tdi and LT95 bits together.


Did something like that to make my short-nose R380 bell housing, cut about an inch out of an LT77 bell housing:

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Author:  kebir31 [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

minivin wrote:
Did something like that to make my short-nose R380 bell housing, cut about an inch out of an LT77 bell housing:

you are a very very, very sick person :lol: :lol: :lol:

this is excellent !!!!

what did you do about the input shaft? also cut-n'-weld?

Author:  mdh [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

Thats exactly what I was thinking of Minivin

Bell housings off a rangy lt95 and a 200tdi lt77, a big hacksaw and some Lumniweld. :D

Not sure if the Lumniweld is strong enough, but I cant tig weld. :cry:

Author:  minivin [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

kebir31 wrote:
you are a very very, very sick person :lol: :lol: :lol:

this is excellent !!!!

what did you do about the input shaft? also cut-n'-weld?


I got Ashcroft to build me a standard R380 with the short-nose input shaft for mating to a 200TDi with the special stubby bell housing. I'd have happily brought the stubby bell housing, but alas no one will produce a new batch, which is a shame as a lot of people want to fit an R380 to a 200TDi, or like what I did with an adapter plate to a V8 :D

mdh wrote:
Thats exactly what I was thinking of Minivin

Bell housings off a rangy lt95 and a 200tdi lt77, a big hacksaw and some Lumniweld. :D

Not sure if the Lumniweld is strong enough, but I cant tig weld. :cry:


Luckily for me, a friend milled the faces after it had been cut in half with an angle grinder, and then another friend welded it for me while it was on the jig in the photo. Handy having links in the trade 8)

Author:  101sean [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

There was a seller (Keith Gott I think) on ebay recently with R380 short bellhousings and short shafts, hideous prices though. One of my mates here who has busted another LT77 on the back of a 6 pot Nissan diesel spoke to Ashcrofts in the last couple of weeks and they are supposed to be producing short R380s again soon.

Author:  DasLandRoverMan [ Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

minivin wrote:
kebir31 wrote:
I got Ashcroft to build me a standard R380 with the short-nose input shaft for mating to a 200TDi with the special stubby bell housing. I'd have happily brought the stubby bell housing, but alas no one will produce a new batch, which is a shame as a lot of people want to fit an R380 to a 200TDi, or like what I did with an adapter plate to a V8 :D


I did wonder, knowing your 109 was a V8 I thought it a little strange that the bellhousing would be for a 2.5 engine. Shoulda thought of that one really.

Author:  minivin [ Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

DasLandRoverMan wrote:
I did wonder, knowing your 109 was a V8 I thought it a little strange that the bellhousing would be for a 2.5 engine. Shoulda thought of that one really.


It was the easist ( :lol: !) route with having all my engine and gearbox mounts standard and not wanting to move propshaft lengths et cetera. Also means in the future if I wish to retro-fit a TDi, all I will have to do is sleeve-up the input nose (as I got it turned-down before supplying to Ashcrofts to fit) from 3/4"D to 7/8"D or make a small diameter bush to go in the crank.

101sean wrote:
There was a seller (Keith Gott I think) on ebay recently with R380 short bellhousings and short shafts, hideous prices though. One of my mates here who has busted another LT77 on the back of a 6 pot Nissan diesel spoke to Ashcrofts in the last couple of weeks and they are supposed to be producing short R380s again soon.


That's good news, should keep Ashcrofts busy 8)

Author:  mdh [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

Minivin - do these mates of yours accept beer tokens in exchange for some milling and welding? :D

Author:  minivin [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

The occasional one-off aint too bad, they like something different ;) I can always enquire!

Author:  mdh [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

:wink: :D

Author:  andrew73gj01 [ Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

clutch splines are very different.
you need a 9.5" SIII clutch for the LT95. The V8 clutch will not fit!
It will rattle at idle by the way.

Author:  mdh [ Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

What stops the V8 clutch from fitting Andrew? What makes the S3 clutch rattle?

I would be concerened that an S3 clutch wouldnt be man enough to handle a fully laden 101 towing a fully laden trailer... :?

Author:  DasLandRoverMan [ Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: TDi to LT95 Adaptoreus Bellhousing

The later V8 clutches for the LT77, LT85 and R380 are all fine spline, as opposed to the course spline ones for the LT95 and series boxes.

The V8 cover wont fit a Tdi flywheel either.

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