101 club

101 club


101 Forward Control Club and Register Forums
It is currently Fri May 26, 2017 1:50 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:49 pm 
Offline
101 Addict!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:31 pm
Posts: 1004
Location: Lincolnshire
Mem No: 2270
Member until: Aug 2017
As it says on the tin... I seek one of these

Image

_________________
You are never too old to have a happy childhood.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:54 pm 
Offline
Club Historian

Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:07 am
Posts: 1814
Location: Oxfordshire
Mem No: 6
Member until: Aug 2017
Mike why do you require this, as your vehicle should already be fitted with the later increased weight 3652Kg chassis/VIN plate? These plates were only fitted to the pre-production and early vehicles that had 3106KG and 3143Kg max laden weight chassis/VIN plates.

Les.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:34 am 
Offline
101 Addict!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:31 pm
Posts: 1004
Location: Lincolnshire
Mem No: 2270
Member until: Aug 2017
Because this shows an unequivocal higher trailer weight than the latter type plates that only recommend 2 tons.

_________________
You are never too old to have a happy childhood.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:50 pm 
Offline
101 Addict!

Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:03 pm
Posts: 1487
Location: Basking in the warm green glow of Sellafield

DasLandRoverMan is not a club member.

Click here to join the 101 club


Or click here if you are already a member
It still only gives a trailer weight of 2272kg.
One with a max trailer weight of 3500kg would be much more useful.

_________________
1973 Series III One Ton
1976 GS 101 FC
1988 110 CSW with Mazda SL35T

Banned from OLLR for no apparent (or disclosed) reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:39 pm 
Offline
101 Addict!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:31 pm
Posts: 1004
Location: Lincolnshire
Mem No: 2270
Member until: Aug 2017
DasLandRoverMan wrote:
It still only gives a trailer weight of 2272kg.
One with a max trailer weight of 3500kg would be much more useful.

Unfortunately there is nothing to indicate anywhere that the 101 was ever approved to work at more than the weight on the MVEE plate.

Since MVEE jointly designed the 101" working alongside the Rover team, the stated maximum on this plate is all that the 101 is supposed to pull. (after all this is a revision of previous lower limits and this is the most they are prepared to raise the earlier figure) The is the designers saying what trailer weight should not be exceeded. A trailer weight of 3500 is clearly beyond what the vehicle was designed to do.

This plate covers a fully loaded wide track that is all that I want it to do, but this plate says that is within design limits, rather than the airy fairy "recommended weight" mentioned on the Rover plate which means absolutely nothing.

This is as far as I am concerned the definitive designed maximum trailer weight for a 101" If I wanted to tow more I would have kept my Mighty Antar that had a designed maximum trailer weight of 70 Tons. and a max train weight of 146 tons
;)

.

_________________
You are never too old to have a happy childhood.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:49 pm 
Offline
Club Historian

Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:07 am
Posts: 1814
Location: Oxfordshire
Mem No: 6
Member until: Aug 2017
When I queried the towing load rating many years ago I was led to believe, as the 101FC was a military vehicle and it is likely to be mainly used off road, the off road towing load rating was specified. However with Range Rovers, etc., that are mainly used on road, the towing load rating is specified as 3.5Kg and not the 1Kg off road rating.

Its also pretty obvious that the military trailers are also built mainly for for off road use with superior suspensions, shock absorbers and anti roll bars, that aren't found on the normal civilian trailers that are used mainly on roads.

Les.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:02 pm 
Offline
101 Addict!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:31 pm
Posts: 1004
Location: Lincolnshire
Mem No: 2270
Member until: Aug 2017
Les Adams wrote:
When I queried the towing load rating many years ago I was led to believe, as the 101FC was a military vehicle and it is likely to be mainly used off road, the off road towing load rating was specified. However with Range Rovers, etc., that are mainly used on road, the towing load rating is specified as 3.5Kg and not the 1Kg off road rating.

Its also pretty obvious that the military trailers are also built mainly for for off road use with superior suspensions, shock absorbers and anti roll bars, that aren't found on the normal civilian trailers that are used mainly on roads.

Les.


The only trailers the military towed with the 101 all fall within the weight limit of the plate, Namely Sankeys, Rapier Fire Unit , Blindfire, 105 mm Light gun.

I have never seen a photo of a 101" in military service towing anything heavier than these. The weight plate covers all the trailers the military used on roads.

Whether on road, or off road, the maximum trailer weight of the MVEE was never exceeded AFAIK.

I would argue that the weight limit is specifically a Maximum that is not to be exceeded in any situation, but I could be wrong. The point is this plate says that any trailer I intend to pull is within a defined maximum.

I wanted a copy of the plate because the LR plate give only a recommendation, and when it come to arguing with vehicle inspectors, police or the courts, they want a definite figure, not an airy fairy means very little, "recommendation".

Has anyone got any photos of the military towing anything over 2 tons even on the road?

_________________
You are never too old to have a happy childhood.


Last edited by antarmike on Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:56 am 
Offline
101 Addict!

Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:03 pm
Posts: 1487
Location: Basking in the warm green glow of Sellafield

DasLandRoverMan is not a club member.

Click here to join the 101 club


Or click here if you are already a member
I can't claim to have any evidence of them towing anything other than what you've listed above.

However, practical experience -a GS towing an ambulance bodied example on a Brian James Flatbed- shows the 101 as an excellent towing platform that is quite comfortable pulling more weight, and actually better than a 110 or similar for the job.

Leaving out the legalities -it was many years ago now- it proved the vehicles worth as a towing platform to me.

_________________
1973 Series III One Ton
1976 GS 101 FC
1988 110 CSW with Mazda SL35T

Banned from OLLR for no apparent (or disclosed) reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:01 pm 
Offline
101 Addict!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:31 pm
Posts: 1004
Location: Lincolnshire
Mem No: 2270
Member until: Aug 2017
DasLandRoverMan wrote:
I can't claim to have any evidence of them towing anything other than what you've listed above.

However, practical experience -a GS towing an ambulance bodied example on a Brian James Flatbed- shows the 101 as an excellent towing platform that is quite comfortable pulling more weight, and actually better than a 110 or similar for the job.

Leaving out the legalities -it was many years ago now- it proved the vehicles worth as a towing platform to me.


I am sure one is capable of towing above this weight, but you are, IMHO, on dodgy ground where you are towing more than the weight the Manufacturer has recommended. (2 Tons) and more than the weight the co-designers have deemed to be the maximum permissible trailer weight. (5010 lbs)

I am not saying a 101 can't tow more but should you ever get dragged into court, and were towing over 5010 lbs (2.236 tons) it would be very hard to come up with any sort of legal defence.

My point is I now have a definite trailer weight I can work to, and I can defend this on the basis that it is the maximum designed trailer weight.

Towing above this weight leaves you IMHO with no conceivable defence.

_________________
You are never too old to have a happy childhood.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group